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MINUTES OF THE PATIENTS FORUM MEETING HELD ON MARCH 12, 2003 AT CONSUMERS’ ASSOCIATION

Present: Jonathan Ellis – Chair (Help the Aged); Clara Mackay – Vice Chair (Breast Cancer Care); J.Coe (POPAN); R.Chitels (POPAN); J.Hookway (National Patient Safety Agency); S.Dane (The Stroke Association); Geraldine Amos (Home from Hospital Care); E.Neilson (Royal Pharmaceutical Society GB); Hew Helps (Chiropractic Patients Association); Alison Morris (MND Association); Jenny ~Singleton (London Health Link); Nikki Joule (The Neurological Alliance); Malcolm Alexander (ACHCEW); Micky Willmott (Age Concern England); Roger Steel (Consumers in NHS Research Support Unit); Judy Walker (Help for Health); Pat Whalley (College of Health); Brian McGinnis (Mencap); Clarissa Jones (National Council for Hospice and Specialist Palliative Care Services); Saranjit Sihota (National Consumer Council); Wendy Garlick (Consumers’ Association); Peter Walsh (Action for Victims of Medical Accidents); Gerda Loosemore-Reppen (RNID).  Diana Basterfield (Patients Forum) in attendance.

Apologies: Mike Took (Rethink); David Pickersgill (BMA); Martin Saunders (As If); Danielle Swain (Picker Institute); David Pink LMCA)

Guest Speaker:  Kate Mitchinson, Institute of Rural Health:  Rural Health:  Policy and Community.

See appendix 1.

Minutes

There were two sets of minutes:  The minutes of the Patients Forum held on 16th January, 2003 and the minutes of the Extraordinary General Meeting held immediately afterwards.  Both minutes were agreed as an accurate record.

Chair’s report

Jonathan reported good news:  the Department of Health had given the Patients Forum £30,000 for 2003/4.

As was mentioned in Jonathan’s report in the March Newsletter, this would help to take off the immediate pressure in terms of the funding and resources of the Patients Forum but it was not a solution in its own right -it would provide a bit of breathing space.   What this would mean was that since the application for charitable status was now being considered by the Charity Commission, the grant from the Department of Health would tide the Forum over until, fingers crossed, we were approved as a charity.  There was still an awful lot of work to do and the Management Committee were giving a lot of thought to fundraising and how we might put ourselves on a more secure financial footing in the future.

Secondly, Jonathan reported that we were continuing to welcome new members to the Patients Forum. He added that one of the issues flagged up some months earlier had been around increasing diversity in the membership and we were in discussion with the Commission for Racial Equality and the Disabilities Rights Commission to explore ways of reaching and encouraging organisations from under-represented groups to get more involved in the work of the Patients Forum. 

Included in the papers for the meeting had been a list of potential topics for future meetings. This followed a discussion within the Management Committee to ensure sure that the issues where speakers were invited were relevant to the interests of the membership.  Members were invited to send in the forms with their preferences if they had not already done so.

Update on position regarding CHCs, Patients Forums and ICAS – Malcolm Alexander, ACHCEW.

See appendix 2.

Information exchange

Gerda Loosemore-Repen (RNID):  It was reported that the Digital Aids Hearing Programme was moving ahead.  Money had been allocated and audiology departments would be modernised.   People wishing to have more information about this interesting programme of partnership working between the voluntary sector and the government should look at the Modernising Hearing Aids website at@ mhas.org.    This gives updates on where individual Trusts are with adopting new technology.  RNID was in the news for other reasons:  financial problems.

Jonathan Coe (POPAN):  It was reported that they had been successful in their application to the Department of Health for Section 64 monies for an advocacy and support worker.  At the previous meeting it had been reported that they would be meeting with the Home Office to discuss the delay in the Criminal Records Bureau checks and the non-introduction of the Protection of Vulnerable Adults list.   They had now met with Lord Faulkner and his team and whilst they had gone in expecting nothing they had come out with a commitment to look at the possible introduction of an early and limited POVA list and a commitment to provide a route map to the proper introduction of all CRB checks for vulnerable people across the board.   It was also reported that POPAN had been working on the Sexual Offences bill and this introduced three new clauses on the protection of vulnerable adults, i.e. in the government’s terms people with learning disabilities and mental disorder.  This had been a good process.  Again the Home Office, led by Lord Faulkner, had taken on board a number of the issues that various interest groups had raised.    This had now gone to a second reading and  was due to go to committee stage on the 24th of March.       POPAN was continuing to meet with four other national and focused on abuse issues organisations.  These were Action on Elder Abuse, Respond, the Anne Croft Trust and Voice UK.   This was called the Adult Protection Alliance that was coming together to focus particularly on campaign issues and on adult protection.

Julia Hookway (National Patient Safety Agency):  It was reported that the NPSA was a very young organisation and had recently joined the Patients Forum as an Associate Member.   They were working on a project to devise solutions to problems nationally and were currently working on a hand hygiene problem that had implications for various health workers.   They were keen to have patients involved in every step of the process and were looking for representation.  If any Patients Forum organisations could assist in this, particularly those involved with harder to reach groups (especially older people from black and ethnic minority communities) more information was available on the Patient Safety website. 

Sheila Dane (Stroke Association):  It was reported that the focus of their work continued to be the implementation of the NSF for Older People and the stroke standard.     The end of March would see the two year anniversary since the publication of the NSF with one year left to go before specialist stroke services “should be” in place (“should be” in place because there was some concern about the rate towards that goal. The end of March would also see the focus of their campaigning work being moved to a local level and a number of their stroke clubs and themselves would be sending greetings cards to Chief Executives or NHS Trusts and PCTs as a reminder that they had one year to go.    It was also reported that they were repeating the patient’s survey that they had carried out about two years previously to see how far they had come and this would be published in June or July.    They were doing a series of regionally based workshops around that time too to help those organising stroke services to meet that target. 

Alison Morris (MND Association):   It was reported that one of the main areas of focus of their current work was the NSF on Long Term Neurological Conditions.   They were very keen to ensure that MND was sufficiently covered within the NSF and they had been fairly active, both within Parliament and further afield on that.  They had held a meeting with Jackie Smith, the Health Minister, the day before on this and had had various questions tabled for the debate in January on how MND would be covered within that NSF.   It was also reported that they had recently published the first draft of their guidelines on additional support for people with MND who had lost the ability to swallow and, therefore, needed an intervention and they would be finalising this towards the end of the year.    This would hopefully coincide with NICE’s development of  guidelines on nutritional support and feeding into that process.    They were also in the process of developing a DNA bank on MND and hoped that this would be used both by scientists in the UK and further afield in Europe. This was a major project for them both financially and in terms of time and effort.     Lastly, they were gearing up for the 20th anniversary of death of David Niven and had a number of events planned throughout the year.

Jennie Singleton (Co-ordinator of London Health Link): It was reported that most of their current work ws related to transition and pressing very hard on the Department of Health to get some kind of arrangements in place.  A big concern was support to people who complain against NHS treatment and what was going to happen to them, particularly in areas where no ICAS pilot was in place, and particularly on 1st September for those who had an independent review.   One of the most interesting projects they were doing at the moment was one looking at a Community Certificate in Volunteering.   Many CHC members were quite keen to look to the future and going forward to foundation trusts potentially, for example.   This Certificate was being funded by the Learning and Skills Council and being evaluated by Aston University Business School.  This allowed people to go through a programme of work to show that they have the knowledge, skills and experience to represent others in the NHS and speak up for local communities.  There had been a very good uptake – there had only been three drop outs in total – and they consider that the Certificate offered good possibilities for the future in many different areas related to health and representing others.  It was also reported that they had recently produced a briefing on Foundation Trusts and this was available on their website: www.londonhealthlink.org

Nikki Joule (Neurological Alliance):   It was reported that they were very involved in the NSF for Long Term Conditions.  In addition, they had heard the previous day that the Department of Health was going to give them some funding to produce a booklet they had written arising from their Standards of Care Project and the standards of care for people with neurological conditions.  The booklet would be entitled “Getting the Best from Neurological Services” and was, probably, the first comprehensive guide on services available to people with neurological conditions.  It was a signposting document that mapped out services in the NHS and also signposted to education, employment, social services, sources of information and support and, crucially, the voluntary sector organisations.  The booklet would be distributed through the NHS and through some of their member organisations.  At the moment it was not clear exactly how the distribution via the NHS would work and if member organisations had any information about this could they please contact Nikki.

 (The meeting was interrupted by the arrival of people for another meeting as Patients Forum had over run its time so it was not possible to have contributions from all those attending. They were invited to send in their contributions to the PF office for inclusion in the Minutes.) 

Date of next meeting 

Thursday, May 22nd, 2003

 

Appendix 1

Rural Health - Patients, Practice and Policy

Kate Mitchinson, Co-ordinator Rural Health Forum, Institute of Rural Health

Kate began by saying that the presentation would be very much from the rural perspective but she did not want people to get the impression that there was a rural/urban divide on health issues.  The government had encouraged the concept of interdependency between town and countryside and how the two interlinked and related to each other.   She added that she also did not want to dismiss the concerns of urban communities.  She said she had, herself, worked in urban deserts where there had been the same kind of depletion of services and difficulties that rural people experience.

What had happened over the previous seven or eight years in the UK was a recognition that rural areas had particular problems and that a one size fits all approach to these problems did not always work very well. Kate said her talk would introduce the Rural Health Forum, look at some of the policy issues, at the rural practice implications for those and finally at what happens to patients in rural communities.

The Rural Health Forum is a partnership initiative funded by the Countryside Agency and the Department of Health and managed by the Institute of Rural Health.  The Institute was set up in 1996 by a Montgomeryshire GP called Dr.John Wynne Jones, now that Institute’s Director.  He found that he did not have much training or specific information about the needs of his rural patients so he took a short sabbatical and travelled around the world, mostly to Australia and America where there are long established academic institutes of rural health, to look at what he could bring back in terms of good practice. When he came back he decided that nobody else was going to do this for him so he’d better get stuck in and do it himself.  He, and the now Chief Executive Jane Randall-Smith started out with two desks and two telephones.  The fact that the Institute had moved so far in such a short time indicates that there was a real gap there – a gap in our academic knowledge about rural health and rural communities, a gap in the education and training that was available to all rural practitioners and also a big gap in policy and the policy drive for health and how health is actually being cascaded down into rural communities.  

The aims of the Forum are to 

  • Raise awareness of the health and well-being of rural people
  • Promote innovation and best practice
  • Provide a point of national contact for all involved in rural health and well-being in order to influence policy and practice
  • Link all aspects of rural health and well-being 

The members of the Rural Forum   

The Forum is made up of a national multi-disciplinary partnership, with affiliated members that bring together statutory, voluntary and community organisations with an interest in the health and well being of rural communities. The Forum progresses its aims through influencing at a national and local level (both policy and practitioners), dissemination of information, research and demonstration projects.

It is a big partnership to run because it covers a huge geographical area. The members of the Forum, who join through “Exchange” (an electronic web-based forum), are based all over the UK but the work of the Forum is funded solely for England so most of the partners come from England.     

How the Rural Forum works

This is in two ways.  Firstly they try to tackle some of the strategic blockages at a national level and secondly they work locally with policy makers in local government and also with practitioners.  They do so in publications, at conferences and through the web-based network.   

Why Does Rural Health Matter?
 

Rural Communities face specific difficulties in accessing a range of services – including health and related services.  There is often a presumption that the patient will travel to the service and this places many rural patients at a disadvantage.  There is a gathering body of evidence to suggest ‘distance decay’ and its effect on rural patients health outcomes. 

The Rural Health Forum was charged with approaching big agencies, getting involved with the Department of Health at policy level and able to use the facilities open to them through the Countryside Agency and latterly through DEFRA as well.  

The following issues have been identified by the partnership: 

  • Continuing centralisation of health services and the lack of a rural proofing agenda for health
  • Transport, availability of an integrated public transport system
  • Access, to health care and other services essential to health and well being
  • Lack of availability of appropriate services at local level
  • Lack of ‘joined up thinking’ and  ‘joined up’ approach to overcome difficulties experienced by patients and communities
  • Lack of robust data for assessing rural health needs and rural deprivation coupled with the inappropriate use of urban biased indices to assess the health and well-being of rural communities 
  • Lack of a car is a deprivation indicator in UPA/Jarman, but car ownership is more likely whatever the income level in the country, because poor public transport is coupled with lack of local facilities. On average, rural residents travel 52 miles (or 42%) further than town dwellers each week (quoted in the Rural proofing guide and explanatory notes – The Countryside Agency, 2001 Demonstrating Rural Need.   People in the countryside on low income spend proportionately more on fuel and car maintenance than town dwellers in similar circumstances.  "Car ownership was seen to be essential for living in a rural area, which means going without things such as holidays and dental treatment.” Demonstrating Rural [2] research by Healthy Norfolk 2000, in the Norfolk HImP
  • Lack of a ‘rural premium’ for delivering health services to remote and rural areas
  • Lack of suitable models of health service delivery in rural areas
  • Implementation of Rural White Paper health initiatives slow to develop or difficult to access funding for e.g. mobile provision, one stop shops for health
  • Rising elderly population in many rural areas

Looking at patients and communities these issues are reflected as follows: 

  •       Access to primary care is often reliant on car ownership and poor public transport links

There is evidence to suggest that rural patients present at a later stage in their illness resulting in more serious consequences and outcomes for the patient and ‘distance decay’ in the use of services. 

 An example of this is research carried out by Cancer Research UK Study 02:  

•Researchers questioned 95 patients and relatives of patients with the disease in the North, North East and Northern Isles of Scotland.

•Delays in approaching their doctor were more common in the rural patients questioned, who live in a very self-reliant way and seem not to like to be a "burden".

•One rural patient was reported as saying "I feel I have had this for about two years but, you know how it is, you don't like to bother the doctors."

This reluctance to be pro-active in seeking cancer care is very different to some of the attitudes of urban patients in the same situation. Dr Neil Campbell, Cancer Research UK Fellow of Oncology Practice 

  •       Cost savings to the health service are often passed onto the rural patient in terms of travelling difficulties and expenses to access services at all levels.  There is a presumption that the patient 
    will travel to the service

  •       Lack of a joined up approach leads to poorer health and well being
    outcomes for rural communities including: transport, housing, district nursing provision, access to shops and food etc

  •       Poor access to support in the home and access to social care/residential care for vulnerable members of the community

  •       Lack of information on help and support services  

Difficulties experienced by rural GPs  

Difficulties in recruitment and retention of staff

Training for rural health practitioners that meets the needs of those at a distance from central services such as accident and emergency departments and acute units

Out of hours services

Impact of centralisation of services and clinical governance on rural practice.  This is not just about the NHS location of services it is also about the impact of what comes down in terms of guidance from the Royal Colleges which can mean that some services are just not viable.  There has been a move with the Paediatric services to move them to large centres of excellence.  These provide good services for patients but can mean families having to travel huge distances to access pretty basic checks, tests, run of the mill things.   One of the partners on the Rural Health Forum is a Paediatrician at Britain’s most remote hospital – Whitehaven in Cumbria.  She has just fought a rear-guard action, quite successfully, with her community’s backing to prevent the service moving up to Carlisle, which would have meant a really extended journey.  

Professional isolation is a problem for all practitioners in rural areas 

Kate concluded by saying that those were the difficulties and what the Rural Health Forum was charged with, together with the agencies across the partnership, was developing a ‘solutions focused approach’ to these difficulties.  They also wanted to encourage others and collate the information about good practice to get it out to, in particular rural PCTs and strategic health authorities.    A few months earlier they had produced a booklet entitled “Think Rural Health” in conjunction with the Countryside Agency.  This had gone out to all rural PCTs, SHAs, government offices and other agencies with an interest in rural health. This was the start of their work in engaging with them on the idea of rural proofing their practice and policies.

A second area of current work was a Rural Proofing for Health Project with funding from the Department of Health.   This was the first generic health project.  The aim was to produce a tool kit, a range of examples and an advice and information service to rural PCTs so that if they had a sticking point or a problem they could go to the Rural Health Forum and there would be a body of evidence there to show that things could be done. 

They were also engaging with policy by working with the DoH, Strategic Health
Authorities and particularly
the PCTs; with DEFRA’s Rural Affairs Forum for England chaired by Alan Michael, the Minister for Rural Affairs and Elliot Morley, the Agriculture Minister.  The Rural Health Forum was the sub group of the Rural Affairs Forum for England.  

They were also engaged with the Countryside Agency’s Rural Proofing Report on a wide range of issues.  They were charged with producing the rural proofing report every year and this looked at how government departments were implementing rural proofing.  Were they considering rural communities when they developed policy?  Areas such as NSFs and all the policies coming from the centre should have been looked at from a rural dimension before coming down into the local governance of strategic health authorities and PCTs.  They had just completed a report on this for their Chief Executive, Richard Wakeford.  

Resource Allocation was a key issue.  There was currently no rural premium, apart from the rural practice payment to GPs.  Before the changes in health structures the rural health authorities got together and commissioned Plymouth University to write a report on resource allocation.   This had gone to the Department of Health last autumn to try and influence the next spending round for primary care set last November.  Unfortunately it did not get anywhere but the Rural Health Forum still considered it to be a very important lobbying point and they were continuing with that work.  

They were also engaging with practice.  The Royal College of General Practitioners was a great support to the Rural Health Forum.  At the beginning of April, six of the partners from the Forum would be meeting with six of the heads of the Royal Colleges to look at the issue of clinical governance and the impact of centralisation on rural services.  It was hoped this would begin to open a dialogue about the impact on access for rural patients. 

They were also promoting and disseminating innovative and best practice in rural health.  At the Institute of Rural Health there was a research arm and also an education arm with the Welsh Rural Post Graduate Centre for doctors and dentists.  They were continually looking for what was out there and offering training and support on a whole range of issues.   

Patients 

For the Rural Health Forum and the Rural Health Institute, patients probably constituted their gap.  There was patient involvement through the membership scheme at the Institute and through the Rural Health Forum Exchange (electronic UK wide network). However, being an agency very much involved in academic work, policy and professional training, it was quite hard to work at the community level with patients. They were very concerned that the rural voice should be heard in the new patient representation structures and there would need to be models for outreach and good practice to ensure patients’ voices were listened to.  They would very much like to have representation on the Rural Health Forum from the Patients Forum, as they did not feel they had done this adequately.  Anyone interested in doing this should contact Kate Mitchison on katem@irh.ac.uk 

Conclusion 

Two years earlier when the Forum was started they had only just begun their dialogue with the Department of Health.   The rural White Paper was new and DEFRA did not exist.  Through these two years, really because of the diversity of the partnership they work with and the firm link to the practice base and to the community through the electronic exchange they had been able to move forward on the policy level and the influencing at a very rapid rate.   

 

 Appendix 2

 Malcolm Alexander, Director, Association of Community Health Councils in England and Wales (ACHCEW) 

Update on position regarding CHCs, Patients Forums and ICAS, 12th March 2003 at the Patients Forum meeting.

Malcolm began by saying that he wanted to produce a few headlines about what was currently happening in the development of the new patients and public involvement system and express some of ACHCEWs fears and concerns.  ACHCEW was in total support of the Commission for Patient and Public Involvement in Health (CCPIH) and of Patients’ Forums but they wanted to make sure that they would be introduced in a way that would be most beneficial.   There were quite a number of problems that they had been grappling with. 

There had been two recent debates in Parliament on this issue; one in the Commons and one in the Lords and it was worth looking at these debates because they provided a detailed insight into the outstanding issues.     

February 2003 – Questions and Answers on the Commission for Patient and Public Involvement in Health (issued by the CPPIH) 

‘It has developed a tiered structure to empower existing local networks to deliver patient and public involvement and set up local Patients’ Forums.’ 

‘Nine regional units, independent but responsible to the Chief Executive, will deliver patient and public involvement within their regions. This responsibility includes managing the delivery of Patient’ Forums.’ 

‘Local networks, contracted by the CPPIH, will be responsible for enabling patient and public involvement within the local community by providing locally based administrative and infra-structure support to the Patients Forum.’ 

‘The brief for the local network, will be available shortly, but will include…the establishment and support of Patients’ Forums.’ 

‘The target is to have local networks in place by September 1, 2003 with a view to establishing Patients’ Forums as soon as possible.’

Malcolm described the CCPIH structure of nine regional offices and the hub in Birmingham where the directly employed staff would be based. He stated that the bombshell was that the staff for the local Patients’ Forums would come through a different mechanism. Originally Ministers had given very clear assurances that there would be directly employed staff for Patients’ Forums and those assurances had been reneged upon by Ministers. One reason for this was the CPPIH’s budget. Peter Walsh and others in ACHCEW had produced some very detailed figures which showed that about £60 million would be needed to run the Commission and the Patients’ Forums effectively and to provide a sufficient number of staff at local level. Despite a huge amount of campaigning and very hard work by Sharon Grant (the Chair of CPPIH) and ACHCEW the budget was still only £34 million (this included support for the CHCs until September 1st 2003).  That was not enough to run the system effectively.  

The current situation was that CHCs would close on September 1st and the new Patients Forums would be coming on line sometime after that - it was hoped by the end of 2003.  In the House on Monday, the Minister (David Lammy) had said that some Patients’ Forums could be established by 1st of September but that was clearly impossible because the system being set up by the CPPIH made this almost impossible. CHCs would gradually disappear over the coming few months, as they would be unable to sustain their workload as staff left – CHCs would go into a terminal state of decline. The new system was clearly not going to be up and running in time so there would be a serious gap between the closure of CHCs and the establishment of Patients’ Forums. 

Another very clear Ministerial promise had been that Patients’ Forums would be established as ‘one stop shops’ i.e. new system would be easily accessible to patients and the public and have a clear presence in local communities. This did not mean that there had to be shopfront in every area but it did mean that access had to be very obvious to everybody.   

¨      22nd May 2002 – One Stop Shop

Hazel Blears MP NHS Reform and Health Care Prof Bill (col. 326) 

‘Every PCT Forum will have staff who will commission or provide independent support to help individuals make complaints. They will work to empower the local population to express their views about health issues, and will provide the one-stop shop service by giving advice and information about public involvement, the complaints process and how people can participate.’ 

What had now happened, and this was a very important point, was that Patients’ Forums’ and the ‘one stop shop’ concept were now being confused with PALS, which are tto provide information for patients and are part of the NHS, but are not independent. Ministers were now confusing the independent and non-independent parts of the new system as though they were now one system. Previously there had been very clear pledges by Ministers that this would not happen.    

“I hope that I can reassure noble Lords that I accept the point that we should have no intention of abolishing CHCs before the new arrangements are up and running. We intend there to be a well – managed transition between the existing system and the new system. The NHS has experience of restructuring so we understand how the process operates. We would seek to ensure that good, administered principles operate in relation to the phasing out of CHCs and the introduction of the new arrangements. Our intention is that the bulk of the new arrangements will have to be up and running before the existing arrangements are taken out of play”.     Lord Hunt of King’s Heath, Hansard, 19th March, 2001.  

Overlap between CHCs and Patients’ Forums 

¨      30th October 2002 – Overlap between CHCs and Patients’ Forums

David Lammy (77430) reply to Dr Evan Harris (PQ)  

‘CHCs will be abolished once the new system is functioning. The date of abolition for CHCs and ACHCEW has yet to be decided but we will make an announcement as soon as a date has been set. In the meantime the 184 CHCs continue to function and will be funded until their abolition.’ 

¨      22nd May 2002 – PCT Patients’ Forums

Hazel Blears MP NHS Reform and Health Care Professions Bill (Col 349-50) 

‘There will be staff employed by the Commission for Patient and Public Involvement in Health who will work with PCT Patients Forums, supporting all of the Forums in the area, commissioning and providing independent complaints and advocacy services and crucially, promoting public involvement in the whole of the health service and those wider issues that determine health in local communities. The staff will be a key part of the system, but they will be grounded and rooted in PCT Patients Forums close to their communities. 

Ministers had promised that there would no gap between the old system and Patients’ Forums/ICAS. These promises had been made many times in Parliament and in letters to ACHCEW from Ministers and had not been kept.    It had been made very clear by Ministers that there would not be a gap, that users, patients and carers would not be left in a situation where they did not have a reliable service to relate to. Instead the Government had let CHCs go into a gradual decline rather than to ensure an effective transition to Patients’ Forums. This would have been so easy to achieve. The problem was not caused by a shortage of money but by incompetence. David Lammy described the objectives of the CCPIH as:                          

  •       To champion and promote the involvement of the public in decisions which affect their health

  •       Putting the public at the heart of decision making in local NHS services

  •       Shifting  the balance of power in the NHS in favour of patients and the public to give them real influence and power

  •       Giving patients and the public the right to be fully involved and consulted about how local NHS services are planned, delivered and can best be improved

  •       Ensuring that patient and public voices are supported, encouraged and enforced

  •       Ensuring national standards are controlled locally

  •       To modernise public involvement in health and get a many people involved as possible

  •       Empower the public to have their say by training them with the skills they need to get involved

  •       Supporting patients and the public to make sure their voices are heard

  •       Working with traditionally marginalised groups to ensure that getting involved is as easy as possible 

On the issue of resources, Malcolm said that ACHCEW had not given up the battle and were making sure that Ministers were continuously confronted with their broken promises. Malcolm reported that David Lammy had been extremely uncomfortable in the House of Commons that Monday during the debate on PPI and that both the Liberal Democrats and the Tories had made it clear that he was failing the country by reneging on his promises.  

Resources and the Gap

¨      22nd May 2002 – Resources

Hazel Blears MP NHS Reform and Health Care Prof Bill (col. 344,5,6) 

‘Nevertheless, I have acknowledged that more resources will be needed to ensure that the system works properly and that we do not get consultation and involvement on the cheap, so we will need to invest extra resources.’  

‘However, we value a robust, independent and vigorous system of patient involvement, and clearly its implementation will cost more that the existing system. That is evidence of our commitment to investment.’ 

‘At present, CHCs receive about £23 million; we allocated an extra £10 million to fund the patients advocacy and liaison service. The staffing of the Patients’ Forums will require additional resources, but I am not in a position to go into further detail.’ 

‘…the staffing support will be adequate to enable the Forums to carry out their functions. That is the key part of the equation. It would be wrong to give bodies responsibilities without the resources to discharge them. No sensible government would ever do that.’ 

‘Our proposals are evidence of our commitment both to reform the system – this measure is a major reform – but also to the investment that makes reform work.’ 

Malcolm reported that the other part of the system that was causing great concern was ICAS (Independent Complaints Advisory Service). The regulations said that ICAS must be established by the Patients’ Forums. Sarah Mullally the head nurse for England (who had the DoH PPI brief) was on record as saying that ICAS would be established from 1st September – clearly Patients’ Forums could not set up the ICAS service because they would not be running until 2004. When the Minister was challenged on this Monday he had implied that PALS would be a key part of the new service. 

ICAS– the commitments 

¨      22nd May 2002 – Independent Advocacy

Hazel Blears MP NHS Reform and Health Care Prof Bill (col. 319-20) 

‘ – the staff of the PCT forums will be able both to provide and to commission independent advocacy support. During various stages of the Bill’s consideration many Members have talked about incorporating the duty to represent the views of local people, and the provision of independent complaint and advocacy support – this would make sense. We genuinely picked up on that idea.’.  

Independence - Annual Work Programme and Relationship with Patients’ Forums 

¨      21st January 2002 – Independence of the New System

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath (col. 355) 

‘The independence of the system for patient and public involvement is critical to its success.’ 

Complaints work was still going on in CHCs but was beginning to run down. Pilot ICASs had received £2 million to keep going until the end of July 2003 but there was no promise that pilot ICASs would be integrated into the new system – so what would happen to patients with complaints?  It would have been so easy to have run the old system into the new system but the government was refusing to look into the possibility of interim arrangements using CHC staff.   

Moving onto the transfer of skills, there had been an expectation that staff would be employed locally and that TUPE arrangements would apply so that staff could go from CHCs to Patients’ Forums.   This was not being allowed and in fact it would be very difficult for CHCs to go into the new system, as it will not be established until CHCs are closed. CHC Members were also feeling very estranged from the whole process and quite disillusioned.  Again, completely unnecessary, it could have been done so easily and so well and the Members valued and encouraged to be part of the new system.     

Malcolm then raised the question of the request by CPPIH to the voluntary sector, to express an interest in setting up Patients’ Forums.  This had come as a bolt out of the blue because assurances had been very clear beforehand that staff would be employed by the CPPIH. 

Transfer of Skills and Knowledge of Staff and Members 

¨      6th December 2001 – Skills, Experience and Expertise of Members 

Hazel Blears MP (Col 280) 

‘I want to give the assurance that, in many cases, the members of Patients Forums will be existing members of Community Health Councils. I have no doubt about that. We are specifically trying to provide a transition path, as hon. Members will see from the implementation plan. We want to work with Community Health Council members to see whether they can find a place within the new system that enables them to bring in their skills, experience, expertise, and depth of knowledge. We would be foolish in the extreme to discard the depth of knowledge that members of Community Health Council have acquired over many years.’ 

ACHCEW’s legal advice was that the process being used by CPPIH to set up Patients’ Forums was unlawful. This legal advice had been presented to the Commission and to the Minister. The Minister had obtained his own legal advice and disagreed with ACHCEWs position. ACHCEW would be challenging both the Government and the CPPIH on this matter.   

Malcolm concluded by saying that ACHCEW was deeply concerned about the way  the new system was being set up, because CHCs had been criticised for a lack of consistency across the country, whereas the new system embedded inconsistency in the way they were being established.

Thus the Government had reneged on their promises and was introducing a system through the voluntary sector, which the voluntary sector had not been prepared for.  There had been no process of induction, information was poor, and communications from the CPPIH were unsatisfactory. This new system was going to happen very quickly and the contracts would be let by 31st July.  

When ACHCEW had asked CPPIH specifically what would happen if a voluntary sector network was not available by in a particular area they were told that the voluntary sector network in the next area would set up the patients’ forum.  This was a bizarre way to establish a new system. ACHCEW were also very concerned that the CPPIH was not prepared to go out to consultation on its own decisions and were deciding on public policy on public involvement in private - ACHCEW had pointed out to Sharon Grant and Laura McMurtrie that it was inconsistent for a body set up to promote greater public involvement to refuse themselves to undertake a public involvement exercise on the establishment of the new PPI system.  

Finally, Malcolm said that ACHCEW would continue to press the CPPIH and the Government on unlawfulness of their new system for setting up Patients’ Forums.  They would also continue to press the Government and the CPPIH to make sure there were no gaps for patients between CHCs and Patients’ Forums. It was in everyone’s interests to pursue these issues as it was essential to get the new system running properly from the start.   

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